Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:07:34 +0000
From: "Ted A. Mitchell" {[email protected]}
Subject: PARTS INTERCHANGE
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

Since no one has submitted any information to me on this, I am re-printing the 
old info that I have.  I am not sure the columns will line up for everybody. 

PARTS INTERCHANGE

GRP/PANTERA PART    INTERCHANGE PT. NO.    COMMON APPLICATION
MODIFICATIONS

12 Rear Brake Pads           D-105                                    Front
pads for:

1964-70 Ford Cortina

1972-76 Jensen Healy

1971-73 Plymouth Cricket Wgn.

12 Rear Caliper Seal kit      FAG KC 14000
Use 1 kit

12 Parking Brake Plastic     Peugeot 4449.15                Peugeot 504
diesel
Spacer                            Peugeot 4408.04

12 Parking Brake Lever
1971-73 Mercury Capri

13 Steering Column/Ignition
1971-73 Mercury Capri
Assembly and Housing

16 Clutch Master Cyl Kit        BAP/Geon 26-06300          1978 Alfa Romeo
Sports 21 Sedan    Use 1 kit
???
1968-69 Fiat 124 w/ Benaldi

Brake M/C                           Only "O"ring fits

16 Clutch Slave Cyl Kit            Beck Arnley 0713438        1980-84 Alfa
2000                                Use 1 kit
BAP/Geon 26-16101
???                                                      2 kits/ 1 seal ea
EIS C663
1961-63 Chev 1/2T truck w/1" cyl        Discard boot

(may require shortening rod to 3 inches)

27 Radiator Fan Brush kit        Lucas WKB102
Board has 3 brushes. Remove center unit

32 Tail Lights
Maserati Ghibli/Bora/Indy

Bricklin

Late '60's Alfa Berlina 4 dr. Sedan

35 Window/Headlight Motors
Most early '70's Maserati & Citroen

47 Side Marker Lenses (not bezel)
1971-73 Mercury Capri

47 Ghia Badges
1978 Ford Fiesta Ghia


Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:51:45 +0000
From: "Ted A. Mitchell" {[email protected]}
Subject: Pantera Parts Interchange List
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

I have decided to try and include a "Retrofit/Upgrade" section to the Parts 
Interchange list, starting with the Master Cylinder and Front brake pad info 
from Thomas Gunnarsson.  Also upgraded some information on part numbers for 
the rebuild kits, thanks to Fred Terry. 

Open for more ideas and info.

Still waiting for a reply to my question on the bore size of our clutch
master cylinder.  Anybody know (11/16 or 13/16)?

I have posted the latest revision on the CHPIE page, and will send a
revision to Shane for his page as soon as I have a little more update.

Ted (Vader) Mitchell
http://home1.gte.net/tmitch/pe.htm
http://home1.gte.net/tmitch/chpie.htm
http://home1.gte.net/tmitch/index.htm


Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:24:13 +0000
From: COATESR {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: Window switches and front turn-signals/indicators
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

{{ Thanks (Ted) for the reminder re the Interchange List. Having just re-
visited it, I can't find any reference to replacement switches for the
electric windows. I seem to have some aftermarket switches which appear to be
a little wide and don't sit flush in the console. There was a thread on this
maybe 6 months ago or so, anyone remember/advise the best replacement?
I'm also looking to put orange and white front turn signals in place of the
orange ones, just like the original Euro GT5 had. White lens for sidelights,
orange for turn signals. Just like replacing the tail lights with GT4 units I
guess I'll need complete new units on the front, not just lens, as they look
like they use two bulbs. Anyone know what they are off ? I have looked through
a few Alfa reference books (that's how I got my GT4 tail lights) but can't
find anything that looks similar.
TIA

--------------------REPLY-------------------------------------

Steve

The front lamps that you refer to on the euro model were originally fitted to
a British Austin 1100.

Another useful thing I found out recently. The door catch  (the one on the "B"
post ) is the same as is used on the new Fiat Cinquecento's and costs around
10 bucks.


Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:07:05 +0000
From: Forest Majors {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: Front Wheel Lock Nut
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

Forest asked whats up with crimp lock nuts.

Thomas said "I replaced my crimp lock nuts and converted to cotter key locks a 
few months ago. What do you want to know? 

Actually two questions now... what manufacturer or automobile currently uses
a crimp lock nut that can be used on a Pantera - I need to replace mine.

The second question is what manufacturer or automobile has a cotter key lock
nut that can be used on the Pantera. Do you determine the cotter key holes
location in the spindle by using the same torque process on the lock nut.
i.e. torqueing the lock nut to 25 pounds, releasing the nut by one half a
turn then torquing the nut to 15 pounds? Assume that only a single hole
would be drilled in the spindle where the groove is and the distance from
the groove would be determined by the nuts "end location"

It really bothers me to have a throw away part like the crimp lock nut...
Thanks Tomas


Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:05:56 +0000
From: [email protected] (Tomas Gunnarsson)
Subject: Re: Re: Front Wheel Lock Nut
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

The Swedish DeTomaso Club has listed Fiat 132 crimp lock nuts as a
replacement. When ordering this winter only the left hand threaded nut was
available. The right hand threaded nut is out of stock and production by
Fiat, at least in Sweden. Probably not useful as a source in the States.

What I ended up buying is Lada (Soviet car brand) OEM parts that fit and were
available. These are most likely not availble in the States.

I had a total of six 3.5 mm wide notches milled in the nut collar (the part
that you otherwise would crimp). This gives me six positions per turn to lock
the nut. This is normal on other cars.

I then jacked up the car, replaced the nut and torqued the bearing with a 
wrench to zero play (just using a few footpounds I guess). I then backed the 
nut out until the notches I had made lined up with the axle groove. Using a 
3.5 mm drill bit I just drilled through the axle with the nut guiding the 
drill bit. Make sure you drill perpendicular to the axle! I then used a 3 mm 
cotter pin to lock the nut. 

If I'd been able to get castellated nuts with the correct thread it'd have 
been the way to go, but as I had free milling I never took the time to find 
any. 

In an emergency the notches could be made using a hand file or whatever of
course.

The thread is 18x1.5 mm, right hand thread on the drivers side, left hand
thread on the passenger side. This is a standard metric fine thread, but the
left hand thread is probably tricky to find. As later Panteras are supposed
to have castellated nuts you might find that they fit and all that is needed
is to drill the cotter pin holes.

Worst case, buy original parts for an early car from one of the vendors,
modify them and pay the price of a cotter pin for each time you disassemble
in the future.

If I was to suggest a possible source for nuts apart from car parts stores
I'd suggest someone dealing with electrical motors and such. Pulleys are
often fastened with fine thread nuts.


Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:32:42 +0000
From: Bjorn Carlsson {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: Front Wheel Lock Nut
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

}Actually two questions now... what manufacturer or automobile currently uses
}a crimp lock nut that can be used on a Pantera - I need to replace mine.

I picked up my nuts at a local Fiat shop. Russian Vaz (and maybe Lada) also
use the same nuts since they bought old tools and designs from Fiat.

Otherwise is a conversion simple. Just listen to Thomas.


Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 19:40:56 +0000
From: Mike Drew {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: key blanks
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

The ignition switch on the Pantera is the same as the '71-'73 (and maybe
later) Mercury Capri; thus that's what kind of key blank you need.

I believe the trunk/door key is Fiat, although when mine were made back
in '89 I think they actually used a British blank (MG probably.)


Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:06:40 +0000
From: Andy Poling {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: key blanks
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

Hey, I can finally make a semi-useful contribution to Ted's cross-reference
list!

} The ignition switch on the Pantera is the same as the '71-'73 (and maybe
} later) Mercury Capri; thus that's what kind of key blank you need.
}
} I believe the trunk/door key is Fiat, although when mine were made back
} in '89 I think they actually used a British blank (MG probably.)

About 6 months ago I stopped by the parking lot key-cutting kiosk at a local
Sears Roebuck on a whim.  To my amazement, the key dude there found matching
blanks in his in-stock assortment for both keys.  The door key copy doesn't
work (goes in, but the tumblers don't match up right), but the original was
pretty worn, and the copy doesn't look quite the same either.  The ignition
key works with the expected stiffness, given that it was copied from an old
key.  The ignition key blank head is a totally different shape (looks like a
Mopar shaped head to me), but the body is right.

Anyway, my "original" key blanks were:

ignition:       Taylor X20
door:           Giobert 8086

And the key blanks he used (modern replacements?) were:

ignition:       Cole Y106
door:           Silca AF7A


Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:01:45 +0000
From: Tony Harvey {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: key blanks
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

10:4 dan'o the key blanks on the 73's Pantera are from a Fiat.....just
had some made at the local key shop


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:33:48 +0000
From: Bjorn Carlsson {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: key blank picture
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

Well, if you promise not to tell anyone...

A member in our club works as a lock smith. He buys blanks from an Italian
company and a few years ago when he visited them he saw a nice set of
custom keys with Alfa Romeo logos. As a proud Pantera owner he wanted a set
for himself and that's why he got 498 spares... (the minimum order was 500
items). He asked me to "get rid of them".

Well, I sold about a hundred in Sweden, another hundred to different
European clubs and brought the rest to Vegas -93. I offered PI to buy the
rest (about 50 cents to $1 ea. depending of the amount) but they were not
interested. Another vendor was interested but he had no money! So after I
got home to Sweden I asked Gary Hall and he bought what was left.
As you can see at Thomas website they look great. Yes, the function too.

We have talked about making custom keys for the doors too but haven't got
enough encouragement to continue.


Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:58:11 +0000
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re:  Source for Front Wheel Bearings.
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

Front bearings are standard Ford, as found on virtually all Mustangs, pick-up
trucks, etc. etc.

Take your front end apart, pull the bearings on one side, go to Kragen to
match them.  You should have new bearings in-hand for $20 in about 5 minutes!


Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:18:00 +0000
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re:  Source for Front Wheel Bearings.
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

Front wheel bearings for a mid-'60s thru '80s Ford OR Chevy pickup are the
right size from any Kragens or Pep Boys in the country. FYI, they also fit
Mangustas.... J DeRyke


Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:14:29 +0000
From: [email protected] (Steve Liebenow)
Subject: Wheel Bearings
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

OUTER wheel bearings may be the same for a gazzill years as stated,

however,

INNER wheel bearing changed in 1970 to a larger size which then was used
for half a gazzillion years.... maybe to present.....

All the same, Kragen probably still has them both, whichever size you need.
Older bearing is going up in price though!


Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:22:11 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re:  Multiple parts listing
Sender: [email protected]
To: Multiple recipients of list 

In a message dated 1/8/99 5:09:02 PM, you wrote:
snip....
<< For example the tail lenses.  I know they were available on three other
cars yet i am attempting to find a cheaper source than what is available.  >>

Stock on a '67-69 Alfa Berlinetta. If you have an Alfa-only wrecking yard
handy (like we do in the SF Bay area), you can do business. Some trim &
electrical components were stock Alfa parts as well as a few FIAT thingys. You
have to know visually what you're looking for when wandering the foreign
wrecking yards, though. And some are not real cheap given that you're buying a
28-yr-old, used part with unknown life and problematic guarantee, that you
might have to dig it off the junker yourself. Good luck- J DeRyke